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Anything like what is happening in ukraine could not happen. here it is a promise that is consistently being made by personalities like him. i would say just a lot of people that follow him a very cultish type behavior on the relationship with him. and the gop is just holding their breath that he is not going to continue to do something that a lot of democratic strategies are going to encourage their candidates, their competitors, on the spot for. because ultimately we are going to have to say hey, your candidate is endorsed by donald trump, who is friends with a man who actively -- maternity ...

There if it weren't for the white supremacists. >> so antifa doesn't engage in occupy type behavior against business leaders. >> they were in charlottesville to stand against -- >> no. another example. >> that's not what we're talking about. >> i want to know who they are. >> how does information work into a false narrative? >> we gave you information with who they are and what they believe in. >> here's -- >> point of view. nazis are not equivalent to anyone else in terms of cause. they support racism and all the rest. is there a difference in their methods? >> sure. le of them are people of ...

Learning experience. i've been thinking about this today, sean. i think you know how i felt impacted by it. i just thought it was evidence of a broader culture. it wasn't about even those two kids. and it's not about the house. it's about that whole fraternity system. >> i have been to norman and oklahoma city so many times. i know the people there. they're not like that. >> i'm going to tell you that fraternity system is segregated. >> that's different. the fraternity system is different from -- >> on the campus i think a lot of things outside of the bubble spencer's talking about where the a...

Spencer's talking about where the athletes occupy you see lots of exclusionary type behavior. i was so impressed to see by the way the football team rk black, white, hispanic arms together, basketball team at that demonstration saying, you know what, we're going to be an example in this community. i don't think it's the case that it was too much. but i do think you have to have an opportunity for reconciliation in the christian tradition where you say this could be -- >> got to learn grow up. stop being stupid and ignorant. >> and don't just say it's about the kids. talk about the entire campu...

The players that have been tested positive during a period of time, that was a test to decide whether we had hit a threshold. i think it is extremely stupid for guys to even come close to these guys. because you know, as you say, you're going to do a -- >> but you do. now they have to be honest. alex rodriguez, if he went back to a doctor after last year that is known to be injecting steroids and doing some risky type behavior, he's got to be suspended for a year. do you agee wiree with that? >> i don't know about a year. here's what i think is happening. we're going back in time. this isn't n...