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Here's john dean calling in and talking to anna cabrera, being called a rat by president of the united states. >> he must be a john dean type rat. >> all caps on that rat, too. >> yeah. no kidding. what's your response? what do you think about that? >> i did respond in tweet that i don't think that trump understands what's going on. we know he's somebody who does not really reveal his full factual problems with his attorneys. they have to sort of find it out the hard way. >> i have with me, cnn presidential historian tim and a half tolly. anna asked the perfect follow-up question, which is tru...

John dean type rat. by allowed him and all others to testify. i didn't have to. i have nothing to hide." so despite not knowing what mcgahn told mueller the president and his personal lawyer rudy giuliani, their standing in this position, they're insisting that mcgahn is a strong witness for the president. how is that possible and why wouldn't they know what he said? >> i think you're seeing probably underneath a lot of the hot air from trump and his twitter feed you're seeing a lot of frustration at the early strategy they adopted to cooperate with the mueller inquiry and to cooperate fully. ...

Not constitute criminal obstruction of justice. >> do you see a john dean angle here when it comes to mcgahn? the president certainly does or at least he's alluding to it. he said the failing "new york times" wrote a fake piece today implying that because white house counsel don macbegan was giving hours of testimony to the special counsel he must be a john dean type rat. to be fair, this is him commenting on "the new york times" saying this. but what about calling john dean a rat here. what sort of message could that send to don mcgahn? >> oh, i don't think it sends any message to don mcgahn....

Whole group of angry democrat thugles. he says they are looking to impact the elect. he wrote the failing "new york times" wrote a fake piece food implying white house counsel, he spells it with a c, he must be a john dean type rat. but i allowed him and all others to test i don't have to. i have nothing to hide. his participation with mueller may present a problem with mr. trump and his legal team. namely, they don't know what he told pros securities. it was a grate, it was like pulling the table off the silverware, you probably it. 30 hours of testimony. >> at least. >> trump did not know th...

Adopt this strategy of a more sort of robust cooperation and document production to the special counsel and that mcgahn might find himself on the short end of that stick potentially, even as you alluded to and we suggest in our reporting thrown under the bus and set up as the guy who is somehow obstructing the inquiry. he did a full 180. not only did he come to the other side's thinking and cooperating with the special counsel, but was at the leading edge of cooperation to the point where the president's legal team doesn't even know the full extent of what he may have shared. >> john, what is ...