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And a normal kind of interest rate scenario, i think, will also be helpful for the economy -- towel. paul: okay. so you don't think that rising rates will necessarily slow down growth? >> not if it's, you know, taking the fed funds rate back to something that is historically normal. obviously, if you start to get into, you know, what it looks like in the early 1980s, that's a different ballpark. we don't have that problem. we don't have an inflation problem. and part of that, a big part of that goes to the private sector because, you know, all of the um improvements in productivity are part of...

Rate scenario, i think, will also be helpful for the economy -- towel. paul: okay. so you don't think that rising rates will necessarily slow down growth? >> not if it's, you know, taking the fed funds rate back to something that is historically normal. obviously, if you start to get into, you know, what it looks like in the early 1980s, that's a different ballpark. we don't have that problem. we don't have an inflation problem. and part of that, a big part of that goes to the private sector because, you know, all of the um improvements in productivity are part of what holdsç down inflation ...