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I don't think anybody knows why it failed. they won't know that until the blowout preventer was on the surface. i know it was largely ignored for a long time. one of the control pods didn't work. and i understand they knew that. but i would remind you that blowout preventers do not cause blowouts. >> mm-huh. >> many of the things led to the blowout. the blowout preventer was the last defense they had against the catastrophe that ensued. that it didn't work, that was the first thing, for example, that i recall that tony hayward blamed. the blowout preventer made it happen. the blowout preventer...

And editorial editor mark tap -- jonathan, i want to read a quote from your interview with her this morning. she said this to you in the car. he's the president of the united states. he doesn't have a responsibility to me. i think he has a responsibility to the country. if we don't get this together and figure this out in this country, where are we headed? >> mm-huh. >> how do we turn this -- i sort of lovingly jokingly call this hurricane shirley. not nous have it be another media storm and bad guys and good guys, but actually learn in r @r(t&háhp &hc% said that quote came after she talked a...

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