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Fixing legal immigration and that is a big piece of it because you're right. we need to figure out a way to encourage the entrepreneurs to come here. we are talking about beyond build the fence and deport people. i think is there a debate and discussion now that is encouraging. >> in the 1990s i worked for a republican senator who lost his re-election in part because he took on the issue of immigration reform and got challenged from the right. the proliferation of these groups like the senate for immigration studies, numbers usa sdirveed to make a case against him and immigration reform. how v...

That's the way it is in our state. it's a pretty -- it's a tough issue for people in our state. but i think for me the criticism or the impact of that criticism will come over time. >> you assumed the governorship after having been district attorney in philadelphia and mayor of philadelphia. on any given weekend you could see three to five homicide. >> true. second highest nra of any state in the union is pennsylvania. but bob took a lot of courage and he did it for the right reason and not hurt him at all because wayne lapierre is full of it. it's not mike bloomberg he has to worry about. the...

Stands up and says, senator, i've seen how you've sort of switched positions on several elements when it comes to guns. i've listened to wayne lapierre. i'm a member of the nra. and obama it is to take my guns away from me. i know that is the end point, he wants to take my guns away from me and i resent you switching positions. >> well, that's -- i'll get a lot of that. look. some people would say where have you been? other tragedies have happened over time and i've been criticized for being -- you know, for having a change of heart maybe too late for some people. and i have to accept that cri...

People in pennsylvania who like pat toomey but i don't think will support him the next time around. >> mike, here is the way it hit me and i think it hit everybody this way but just to give you the sense of how i was looking at this. two horrors were kind of haunting mean and i think everybody. one, what happened there when you think exactly what happened really in both classrooms. then at some point, i think sunday night of that weekend, as i watched more and learned more about how he killed his mother, adam lanza killed his mother and went to the classroom and i i think what could have happe...

>> do you know off the top of my head, of where paul ryan is? >> i think we have now got a blueprint inside. >> one of the finest days. was it in the history of the senate? >> one of the. >> one of the finest days. >> this is the way it's supposed to happen. a blueprint on one side and the other side and let's start talking and see what kind of, you know, ground we can forge together. rather than lurching from crisis-to-crisis. we have a couple of of those coming up and we are going to hit our borrowing limit in july and we will see what happens between now and then. >> but looking at this, wh...