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In certain parts of the country as the delta wave migrates to other parts like the midwest right now and the pacific northwest and perhaps the northeast. you are going to get down to prevalence levels where it will be persistent but it's not going to be the kind of intense wave of infection we're experiencing right now. the only thing that can change that trajectory is if we get a variant that pierces the immunity we have acquired through vaccination or prior infection. those variants will come along, but i think it's unlikely you'll get a variant that completely obviates the vaccination. it w...

Rochelle walensky said a short time ago. >> we're evaluating this science in real time. we're meeting, you know, every several weeks now to evaluate the science. the science may very well show that the rest of the population needs to be boosted, and we will provide those guidances as soon as we have the science to inform them. >> let's bring in dr. scott gottlieb, former fda commissioner, cnbc contributor, and author of the powerful new book "uncontrolled spread, why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." dr. gottlieb, thank you for joining me, sir. i want to get to your...

Course of illness with this coronavirus. >> your new book i'm going to talk about, it's called "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and what we can learn from this pandemic." are we better prepared to learn from the next pandemic? >> i don't think we're prepared from a structural standpoint. i think we're prepared as far as what our weaknesses were. we don't have an agency in this country capable of mounting the kind of response you need to respond to a public health crisis like this one. it doesn't have a logistical capability, it doesn't have the capability to inform policymakers in...

Need to make her own decision. so is this okay? is this the way it should be? does this inspire confidence? we have former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. his new book "uncontrolled spread. why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic" is ault about how we avoid exactly this type of confusion. messaging matters, especially in an environment, doc, where you have to be worried about your messaging being attacked. gottlieb is also a member of pfizer's board of directors. what do you make of this? >> i've seen situations before where the fda and the cdc disagreed on certain...

Wound up with what we see in florida? look, there's plenty of blame to go around. messaging matters and messaging has kind of plagued the biden administration in this regard, and you know, why would people be wrong to have skepticism, you know? they don't say the same thing. they don't agree. they're not getting one message, they're getting two, but they're telling us they have to take it so they have a mandate with mixed messaging and that's a bad combination. >> well, i think one of the challenges is that people have lost confidence in public health officials and coming out of this we'll hav...