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Medicaid. what's the problem there. >> for older americans their health insurance is very expensive. under obamacare that's limited how much they can be charged and by having tax credits that limit the percent of income they have to pay for health insurance as well as expanding medicaid to lower income adults. that goes away under the house alternative. the medicaid expansion goes away. for the poor and elderly they don't have access to health insurance. tax credits become flat and not income based so the elderly have to pay much more for health insurance. you have a system that's not as prote...

That now that employer mandate if it passes the employee mandate will go away. you know, they won't have to offer insurance. but remember, health care is considered a benefit that companies want to give. they want to attract and retain the best people. and if a company doesn't offer health insurance, a lot of people say, well, i don't know if i want to work there. so a lot of companies offer health insurance and good health insurance. and remember again, under obamacare, small companies don't have to under obama kay. so this doesn't real why affect them. >> all right. thank you so much g to se...

Insurers, that's a major problem and those are the kinds of things we're trying to fix. >> but you say that people are not going to lose what they are getting now. well, let's take a look at what you said on fox business on friday. >> under obamacare, the older folks and sicker folks could pay three times more than the younger folks. whereas under this plan they might pay five times more. that's going in the wrong direction. >> well, it's pricing for what individuals' health status is. that's important to appreciate. >> so you're raising the costs on the sicker people to pay for the people who...

High risk pools don't work. they've tried this for a long time. they have simply failed and eventually go bankrupt and the states drop them. >> we also see there's another issue with the current system, i think governor dean who wasn't a huge fan of obamacare, i'm sure you fay this over with the republicans have put forward, that the central issue with what we're dealing with now and you'll see moderates like susan collins dealing with, the cost of health care versus the hekt insurance cost. we can talk about this at the edges but there's nothing more important or more of a priority or place w...

As the debate over healthcare heads to the senate, insurance companies have been relatively silent on how the republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare would ultimately affect their industry. an industry that thrives on stability. we have more. >> if you owned a car, had no in car insurance and this happened. no proven insurer would cover you retroactively and, what would be your cars pre-existing condition. yet, in the most simplest form that is what health insurance is being asked to do under obamacare. and maybe asked to do with a republican replacement. as the creator of america's fi...