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Been dropping, while areas that do have nonup more than 450% in the past 30 years. just because everyone has insurance doesn't mean everything is going to be more affordable. we still aren't looking at anything from a patient-centered perspective. health care is an emotional thing which is why people go on tv and say, everyone is going to die, and i understand that works on people. emotions don't have anything to do with it. >> your point, kat, under obamacare, many people have the card and can't use this. they can't afford the deductibles. >> the first ten grand out of their pocket. >> more p...

Republicans. steve: absolutely. the big question is what's going to happen in the senate? there are a number of moderate republicans who are a little squishy on this. they don't like this particular bill. they would like to see something done with medicaid and medicare as well. and then have you got people like mike lee and rand paul who will probably make suggestions on how to bring the costs down even more. pete: sure. steve: under this plan, if this were to be the plan, and chances are it won't be, but under this one, insurers would be able to sell a wider variety of products. they would be...

Cost than they do now under obamacare? >> you know, it doesn't guarantee anything. it can be low are than what they're paying under obamacare. it could be the same. it could be higher. one thing we've heard over and over again is that this $8 billion might not cut it. it might not be enough to keep these high risk pools going. by definition, these are sper expensive pools. these are people who are ill. there's concern that $8 billion isn't enough. >> helping us understand the policy. thank you very much. back in the room, we'll keep an eye on the house of representatives as the debate contin...

Credits will work in the gop plan, it's more based on age. well, under obamacare, it was based more on income. so there are going to be people that fall through the cracks, clearly about your point about the cbo. >> these are big changes that will be felt by certain groups of people. >> but that's why a cbo score is so important. this is an independent entity, not -- this is our best calculation, so you know what you're voting on. >> republican joe barton last hour told us, oh, we'll get a cbo score eventually. >> after. >> but, david, not before they take a vote today. this is a case, up, we ...

Conference with that in the house or get back to the house and be able to put something on the president's desk. >> jon: not far from your home state is the state of iowa where most of the counties are about to have no insurance coverage at all under obamacare. are you convinced that this legislation will entice insurers to go back to some of these markets what they have abandoned? >> that is certainly what we have to make happen. as you pointed out, there are a lot of states around the country where the insurance markets have literally collapsed and you have these skyrocketing premiums and de...