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Quite a bit about the topic. moon beam sheik is a former extremist and took a u-turn, worked under cover of the royal canned mounted police to fight terrorism. he wrote a book about his experience, "undercover jihadi." i guess i want to start with stating an obvious fact and get a response to it. these are defense attorneys who are attempting to sell a story that is exculpatory to their clients about their clients' alleged acts of violence, alleged in the case of the individual who choke slammed a 13-year-old and convicted in the case of cesar sayoc. should we take them seriously? >> well, i'v...

Radicalized by sustained propaganda is someone who knows quite a bit about the topic. moon beam sheik is a former extremist and took a u-turn, worked under cover of the royal canned mounted police to fight terrorism. he wrote a book about his experience, "undercover jihadi." i guess i want to start with stating an obvious fact and get a response to it. these are defense attorneys who are attempting to sell a story that is exculpatory to their clients about their clients' alleged acts of violence, alleged in the case of the individual who choke slammed a 13-year-old and convicted in the case of...

Twice. here to discuss, james galiano, also the author of "undercover jihadi." thank you so much for joining us, gentlemen. so, president trump tweeted this today, says, "i have instructed secretary of state mike pompeo, and he fully agrees, not to allow hoda muthana back in the country." but you disagree with that decision. why? >> well, i like to think of it from the legal standpoint, of course, you know, the husbands were dealt with by hell fires, but we can't deal with everyone the same way. there are legal principles that we do need to abide by, and i'll let the u.s. government figure out...

And want to bring in a former department of homeland security official. a former extremists turned counterterrorism operative. author of "undercover jihadi." strong words about plt. mayor khan says the u.s. -- the u.k. should not roll out the red carpet. what's your reaction? >> yeah, well it's very bad to do that to a mayor undergoing a crisis of that magnitude at that time and to say those things. it's just i think everyone across the board understands, i think even the london embassy was tweeting out in support of the mayor and the way he handled it. it's a lesson to be taken. >> what's you...

Knew he was affiliated with this group but didn't know he was planning an attack. people described him as the quiet one. there was video that came out in the documentary last year called "the jihadists next door." where you actually see this young man unfurling a black flag, which is synonymous with extremist islam. you see him having an alt arication with police. other video has emerged on youtube. similar things. him praying in public and unfurling this black flag once again. so clearly some red flags in terms of why authorities were not keeping a closer eye on him, don. >> clarissa ward in ...