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He looks like he's being protected by trump. if i were trump i'd say what am i here for, to protect mike pence? pence never says anything. >> he certainly hadding to the one to go out and sell to the american people that michael flynn never discussed sanctions with kislyak. depending on what went on behind the scenes then he may have been taking some of the dirt. but it's clear that they are trying to distance pence from all of this. they can have the president's legal team. they can have the president himself. they can have republicans on the hill all undermining mueller, building all this he...

Celebrated interview and then your paper has another block buster today about this question of undermining mueller. it seems to me that the president in both your interview and through the reporting of your paper exposed today, is really trying to say that his financial past is off limits, and that if mueller goes into what he has declared to be a bad zone here, that there will be consequences. so a, am i right that is now just clear, and b., where does that take us? >> no question, i think he's sending a clear warning shot to the special counsel. in our interview we candidaaske what were the ...

Jeffrey. with all due respect, you don't know. that's why we need an independent investigation, that the president is not pressuring anybody on. and we need that to play out. and we also need the president and his surrogates with all due not respect but direction at you to stop criticizing and undermining mueller. he's moving forward in this, and as soon as you guys start to sweat you attack the messenger. >> all right. i want to dig deeper into more legal angles when we come back. talk to professor alan dershowitz and jeffrey toobin joining us. also tonight, the sadness, the fury and of cours...

Russians try to -- >> did donald trump say "go do that"? >> i don't know. >> of course, he didn't. >> with all respect, you don't know, and that's why we need an independent investigation that the president is not pressuring anybody on. we need that to play out, and we also need the president surrogates to stop criticizing and undermining mueller. he's moving forward in this, and as soon as you guys start to sweat, you attack the messenger. >> i want to dig deeper into more legal angles when we come back. also tonight, the sadness, the fury, and all the unanswered questions in the wake of a yo...

About hmueller's relationship with comey. there really isn't much of a relationship there. they've said, oh, mueller can't do this because him and comey are best friends and comey did this to get him appointed. well, indeed they have worked together in the past. mueller and comey did. they aren't really that close. they aren't really buddy buddy. there are folks that comey has been very close with over the years that he worked with as a prosecutor or that he took with him to the fbi, but there really isn't a relationship there. they've searsed ized on that as of undermining mueller. there's pr...