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He groans when people hide themselves from themselves and from others behind a veil of pious-sounding talk.

Centrally in the narratives of the people. how can you understand judaism or israel without a fundamental understanding of the temple mound. how can you understand muslim sensitivities without understanding them and for christians without understanding jesus and the resurrection. >> everybody has a presence. everybody has a claim. >> king david was there and king herod was there. arabs were there. romans were there. it is equivalent of a magical place. place that's more alive in your head and identity. jerusalem is still as always was the center of the world. jerusalem would always be the

To jumpstart to people to get there? >> i think there a lot of entrées into understanding christianity and understanding jesus. my agent is jewish so he had to read -- to read the manuscript over several times until he understood the argument. that's one of the issues is that you can understand the argument. you can know a lot about god and one theologian said there is a god but that doesn't mean he worships him and that is the difference. arthel: in closing the lighthouse, i think you have a personal story behind the lighthouse that you've shared with us briefly. >> this process started a de...

Is and this is where i am trying to be honest in the book whether or not you believe in god has no bearing on whether there is a god. that was the basis of the idea. okay so if this is an objective truth i should be able to find evidence of it not just spiritually but physically and this is where the lighthouse came into play but i looked at the structure of the 10 commandments and found it was very much like the structure of the white house. the beacon is like the first commandment. you can't break commandments to through one without breaking one. here you have almost a closed system and then...

And it wasn't as if that was scandalous. >> and yet, the gospels tell us that she was unusual, following him all the way to jerusalem and staying to bear witness to his death. >> one of the intriguing things about the gospel accounts, the new testament, is the fact that at the time of the crucifixion, the guys all run away. and that becomes a very interesting matter. it seems to indicate that, in fact, in terms of the rising of faith and the continuation of the movement, women played a primary role, and in particular, mary magdalene. ♪ >> in the gospel of john, mary magdalene is the first pe...