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At the end of the day, you also need to talk to voters because we're expecting on the eve of 2024 election over -- excuse me, over 12 million more jung eligible voters than last go round. what they really don't believe in are these culture wars. >> and the question i guess i have to robby is so white evangelicals are in the tank already, right? that 15% are going to vote for whatever republican, if it's tim scott, i think desantis is unelectable. he's unelectable. his positions are so far to the right, but that base will vote for whoever they throw at them, whether it's trump or not. but you h...

What president trump did on january 6th, and its surrounding time, and the second one is the georgia investigation into whether or not you try to bring georgia officials to try to come up with a vote as the phone call with the georgia officials seem to suggest. so, you could end up, by the end of the summer, with two more indictments, which would bring you to a total of four, we're at two right now. not saying that will happen, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility. >> yeah, right in the middle of primary season as well, in march, there is a trial scheduled, right, for the -- the ...

Presidential primary race. it's rapidly loading up with lots of people, and tim is a big step up from ron desanctimonious, who is unelectable. good luck. not only opportunity zones but, you know, the criminal justice reform was also led by tim scott. trump doesn't want to talk about that for other reasons. but what do you make of trump really kind of saying nice things here? >> i don't think he sees him as a threat. i don't think he sees him as somebody who can win, and that's why he's saying nice things about him. it also goes to what tim scott is saying about donald trump, which is nothing. ...

For one thing, he won in 2016. And his opponents look weak for not simply calling him unfit to be president.

Next week after a presidential run. what are you learning? >> so, a few hours ago, wolf, desantis got on a call organized be i the superpack supporting him, never back down. i think this is the first time he has laid out a case to these folks. a lot of that is because he's been a sitting governor and ham strung in what he can do in this race. in fact, he essentially acknowledged. for the first time, he described a three-person race. himself, donald trump, and joe biden. he said of those three, ooeeveno could become president. one is biden and one is him. he described trump as unelectable. how ...