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Democratic fund-raising? how will the outcome in wisconsin impact the future of labor as similar dramas unfold in ohio, tennessee, pennsylvania, new jersey, even washington, d.c. joining me now, ezra klein, columnist for "the washington post." republicans are staking out a position which is very clearly about union bashing, about limiting unions' ability to do things to the point it becomes irrelevant. this is about their ability to eliminate them as a significant political force in the state, isn't it? >> and it is more than that, because you can tell scott walker is being notably cagey about...

How will the outcome in wisconsin impact the future of labor as similar dramas unfold in ohio, tennessee, indiana, pennsylvania, new jersey, and even washington, d.c. joining me now, ezra klein, columnist for "the washington post." republicans are staking out a position which is very clearly about union bashing, about limiting unions' ability to do things to the point it becomes irrelevant. this is about their ability to eliminate them as a significant political force in the state, isn't it? >> and it is more than that, because you can tell scott walker is being notably cagey about it. you wat...

Favor of union bashing for the sake of union bashing. it doesn't surprise me. >> no one is bashing the unions. >> i think we do regularly bash the unions. >> the nation's mantra, we're going to be in this together. >> the leaders of the unions have to do their job of advocating for their members. now, if they lose them in negotiation and they get beaten down and they have to cut back, so be it. but you don't expect them to come out of the gate in negotiations and say, fine, we'll back off on this. >> okay. joe, help me out here because ben made the point -- >> why can't they come out and say w...

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This guy is not doing well with his union bashing. >> i think what that poll and other polls show that independents and even some republicans who were supporting walker i think are abandoning him and are looking at this fight between what looks like union busting and deficit cutting and having second thoughts. and i think this is the new generation of reagan democrats. remember union member -- ronald reagan appealed to those union members. now their sons and daughters are moderate republican type, but they don't want the union bashing. >> despite the fact some people on the left like to argue ...