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>> it's totally meaningless, wolf. in a regime like north korea, the decisions are made at the very top. you have to be negotiating with those people. look. there are other countries that have representation in north korea. and the crucial issue is, again, china. the real negotiation that has to take place is between beijing and pyongyang. the key person in that is kim jong-un's uncle and that dialogue is one we are unfortunately not privy to so i think that the secretary of state going to china, the chairman of the joint chiefs going to china helps a lot but fundamentally the chinese need to ...

It is also important to remember, wolf, this is part of a pattern of behavior that predates this current episode, that is reminiscent of some of the actions taken by the regime in pyongyang in the past, under previous administrations. and it never serves any purpose for the ultimate goal of the north koreans which is to improve their economic lot, and for the regime which should be -- their goal should be to rejoin the community of nations by proving that they are willing to abide by their international obligations. >> there's a report out there, josh rogan, on a blog, suggesting that a top u....

There's a danger of instability anyway and north korea has become the driver of that instability. so simply propping up this terrible regime is not going to work. the chinese still have not come to that conclusion. at the end of the day, the chinese believe stability means propping up this regime. what we have to convince them and this is the task for yon kerry and for general dempsey is to convince the chinese that stability means in some way resolving this completely weird irks irrational, unpredictable regime, reining it in. otherwise it's not just the north koreans to do something, the sou...