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Come up malcolm. malcolm. malcolm, my friend. you must let the other guest speaker. it is rude. please let thomas speak. thank you. >> okay, so malcolm said that these statues represent white supremacy. i'm not in a position to tell malcolm what he should think about these statues. these are pieces of art. folks are free to make their own interpretation of what they mean or don't mean. there are a variety of different ways of looking at these pieces. for him to say that these are this way and that anyone who disagrees with that is wrong, to me, it's absurd. these are pieces of art, they are cr...

Who else is left? is madison okay? james madison okay with you? >> no, he is not okay. he was a slave owner. he is not. >> laura: okay. so we need to rename washington, d.c., correct? >> yes, i would do that. >> laura: okay, rename washington, d.c. >> that's not for me to determine. >> laura: no, we need to know, malcolm, where you are coming from. and we just established it, thank you very much. let's move on to thomas, thomas, time for you to talk on. white supremacy, we got it. thomas, what is your sense on this? >> well, laura, thank you for having me, first of all. i would like to say, i ...

Himself said, when he was challenged to take down the statues, mitch said, what are you talking about? i don't know what you mean. statues mean white supremacy? the reason that mitch did not understand that, a lot of folks in this city do not see the statues that way. >> laura: let's go back to malcolm. malcolm, malcolm, hold on. malcolm -- >> when these statues -- >> laura: malcolm, until the last, i don't know, two, three years -- i've come to new orleans on and off for the last two or three years. until the last, about two years, i hadn't heard anyone talk about the statues in charlottesvil...

Be eradicated, we have to rename every federal building, we have to completely reach change history and we have to get rid of it all. had never heard it. >> this is the fundamental problem. because what is happening in the city is that one group of people is deciding for everyone else how we should think about a piece of art. this is, to me, the most frightening occurrence of this whole thing. >> laura: okay, talking over each other. >> they put them up without any input whatsoever from the black community, and now that we are the majority, it is up to us to decide what -- >> laura: malcolm, y...

Going to happen to them. one of the things that is so shocking about the whole process is that the city council never had any plan in place for what happens to the monuments. >> laura: we are all against the white supremacy but we offer history as well. malcolm and thomas, will have your back, thank you so much. and president trump, by the way, has made remarkable transformation into, believe it or not, a powerful voice for faith. franklin graham is up next to it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher in...