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Am going to get to him in a second. but robert costa, i know you have covered john bolton throughout this scandal. any sense of his impressions or his views about how extensively the testimony of fiona hill, the testimony of colonel vindman, the testimony of bill taylor details his conduct inside the west wing. >> everyone who knows ambassador bolton knows he carries his old battered leather briefcase around. he keeps meticulous notes of meetings. he has an almost photographic memory. they want him as a witness behind the scenes on a deposition, as a public witness because he's such a face fro...

They have to have people in uniform, to tell the story of president trump's conduct in a vivid way and a compelling way that's convincing to voters who may be skeptical about this entire inquiry. >> i know john bolton remains an elusive and unwilling witness. but he has been brought to life through the testimony of his direct reports and his colleague. and this vivid testimony and ambassador bill taylor's transcript today that his political antenna went up when investigations were mentioned by gordon sondland who has amended his original testimony. certainly paints john bolton as someone who i...

Wherever you want to go is to keep it to just the facts? >> and the facts speak for themselves. we don't need, you know, freelancing members of congress. we have facts and witnesses who are serious and credible. >> like, is there a call every day where you're like, hey, you guys don't go on msnbc and say crazy stuff? [ laughter ] like, how is that operationalized? >> just a reminder, guys, don't be crazy. i mean, the speaker has been solemn the whole way through. talks about her oath to the constitution. but also the fair process that the president has to have even when people admit to crimes ...

Call quid pro so like this argument -- [ laughter ] >> that's good. >> even if i did do, it's still not criminal. >> that's exactly what it is. and it really does mirror their strategy that they had for mueller, which was even if i did it, it wasn't criminal and i was allowed to do it and also undermining the process and saying this is a sham investigation which we are seeing even as it goes on to tv. you know, what i'm hearing from the white house is the strategy now is going to be there's no retroactive justice. we didn't get to have white house lawyers or state department lawyers in the roo...

Over and over again before we even got to these hearings. i can't imagine the hearings working against them. >> can you imagine any scenario where republicans are forced by the fact patterns, by public opinion, to call down there and say we've got to censor you, we've got to do something. >> i think more evidence has to come out that's damning. we have talked a lot about how trump has gotten control of the gop and that fox is essentially his prop gandists. what's common to all of that is they all live in this reality of this distortion field. that's classic trump. you deny facts. you deny what...