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>> oh. >> smileys. fire roasted sheep's head. lips shrivelled back in a joker like rictus of deliciousness. chopped into tasty, tasty bits and eaten with cold beer? yes, of course, yes. just needs a little salt and pepper. >> good stuff. that looks good. >> it's pap. >> what is it? >> it's like maize. >> a sticky porridge made from ground cornmeal. it fills the role grits do in the american southwest. rice in much of asia. it's tasty, relatively nutritious and cheap filler. it sops up gravy when you have something like this stewed beef real good. >> that's a dumpling. >> that's a dumpling? >> ...

Moppin' up sauce. stewed greens, carrots, beans and more gravy. that's awesome. tell me about your band. how long have you guys been together? >> about ten years now. >> whoa. a long time. >> yeah. >> would you say you were an indie band? is there an indie theme? what i guess i'm getting at, is there a -- i was kind of getting there. >> is there south african williamsburg? ♪ >> in terms of south african street culture, people are really pushing the boundaries now. we didn't really have a scene when we started. you look around. it's like, man, like demographic is crazy. >> what do you mean by...