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Of a bernie sanders win in iowa or new hampshire? is that going to change the polling in terms of people's calculation of how possible a candidate he is? >> well, i kind of push back on -- i know there's a mythology around that iowa, you know, we want iowa in 2008 and then we started to win south carolina as if african-americans were waiting for white people to say he's okay. if you look at average polling going into the end of this week and january in 2008, we have basically caught up tossup in iowa and a little bit ahead in new hampshire and so we're building there. we were building there an...

This kind of cascade effect can happen in primaries. polling national numbers and the results come back and things really change. how do you think that would happen, what would be the effect of a bernie sanders win in iowa or new hampshire? is that going to change the polling in terms of people's calculation of how possible a candidate he is? >> well, i kind of push back on -- i know there's a mythology around that iowa, you know, we want iowa in 2008 and then we started to win south carolina as if african-americans were waiting for white people to say he's okay. if you look at average polling...

Happen, what would be the effect of a bernie sanders win in iowa or new hampshire? is that going to change the polling in terms of people's calculation of how possible a candidate he is? >> well, i kind of push back on -- i know there's a mythology around that iowa, you know, we want iowa in 2008 and then we started to win south carolina as if african-americans were waiting for white people to say he's okay. if you look at average polling going into the end of this week and january in 2008, we have basically caught up tossup in iowa and a little bit ahead in new hampshire and so we're building...