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Operations no order to affect what was happening in the united states. it is much bigger, much bigger than just collusion. >> steve, has someone who follows russia, you know, closely, obviously, and has a long career with the c iia, involved with russia, do you see anything that the president is actually doing about future hacking? because, you know, other than this cyber security executive order, which made no mention of russia and seemed focused more on updating i.t. systems in the federal government, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of demonstrable things you can point to to say, he's tak...

President perceives a basic interest of the united states to be at stake, come hell or high water, he's going to act, russians or not. what we saw with the obama administration was an unwillingness to act -- >> i get the criticism of the obama administration. [ overlapping speakers ] the question is, what is he doing? >> i think he's going to take into account all the advice of what we're seeing here. we see, of course, the washington post in this story that you're quoting says despite the dire warnings, there was no meltdowns of the united states voting structure. he was just meeting with sig...