CNN At This Hour With Berman and Michaela April 17, 2014 15:33:00
Crawling on the outside of the upended ferry. in doing so, they ignored commands shouted over the ship's loudspeaker. >> translator: don't move. if you move, it is more dangerous. don't move. >> all right. joining us now on the phone is ken petersen, he's the governor emeritus of the nonprofit parry time security council and president of security dynamics. and kim, there seems to be a contradiction here. there are some people who say the safest place to be on a ship is in the vessel or near the vessel. yet we saw, again, with this disaster that those who did jump off, those who fled as soon as...