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Purpose. word is being used as a sort of catchall term. he's only technically right when he saying it's not criminal. legal experts say under u.s. code collusion is federal crime only applicable under antitrust law. that is a collaborative agreement usually secret among roo rivals. basically it's price fixing and bid rigging. but what is a crime is conspiracy. under the federal conspiracy statute a crime is committed when two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the united states or to defraud the united states or any agency thereof in in any manner or any purpose. rob...

If we let it. there we have the president's own words to judge him by. this is on him. this is one of those lessons we get to see if words have consequences. >> what is fascinating is how much this plays out in public out loud. what we see from the president's tweets is him saying what would have been a scandal has like president nixon been found to have said it privately in a taped session in the oval office. the tape that finally undid him in watergate was hearing him order his aides to tell the fry to layoff the watergate investigation. here you have the president saying on twitter the atto...

Surprisi surprising. it's the kind of thing he's done for a year and a half. we have kind of as a society gotten accustomed to it to some extent. >> harry, i don't walk around quoting u.s. code. for god's sake i don't comment on that. particularly on this argument you started hearing from someone late today as twitter still seems to so many people as a medium. this could still be kind of slow rolling obstruction in plain sight and the three words in the obstruction portion are if you're trying to influence, intimidate or impede an officer of the court. how is this not that? >> how is this not ...

Say it didn't do what it did. getting to your other piece, you know, sometimes it feels like we're all going through a type of law school together in this era. you would be one of our voluntary professors i suppose. collusion, conspiracy, criminal hacking and theft, fraud fraud against the units, foreign campaign contributions are all felonies that relate to what has been alleged in 2016. walk us through your point about what trims constitute collusion. >> well, first the term collusion here is being used casually. what it's really referring to i'll remind you is a conspiracy to break federal ...

>> if there is evidence out there that is going to make it difficult for you to continue to assert there was no collusion f. there was no evidence out there i don't think we would see the shift in strategy. what it tells me is there is something that rudy giuliani has seen that made him decide that a shift is important. it's quite a shift. we have been hearing no collusion quite a bit. now we are hearing collusion is not a crime. technically speaking that's correct in the sense that there is no word collusion that you will signed find u.s. code. but there are plenty of crimes that involve coop...