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Sometimes just private. you're basically paying for the use of the road. the problem is with a caveat, you talk about free market. i don't mind a usage tax, if you will, if you replace the gas tax. the problem is, most governments, whether it's state governments or federal governments, use that money for something other than paying for the highways and bridges. they put it in mass transit or build skateboard parks or some such thing. it's like it's a government trust fund. that's what i don't like about it. >> brie, you don't like any part of this. >> no. i hate all of it. i'm from california....

What you're saying here. in other words, a usage tax. this gets back to things that we talked about, a privatizing highways and bridges. you say this could work and this might be a solution for other states? >> well, yeah. i mean, look, i will grant that there's always a problem with government implementation. if they just handed the highways and toll roads and whatever bridges over to private enterprise, like the original turnpike system here in the u.s. was all private, i could work. the problem is rarely with the government raising enough money. the problem is that in california's original ...

Cities and towns and other various projects that government likes to get into. so if they dedicated -- doesn't matter what they do. i like the usage tax because it's very direct. but if they said look, this is the old al gore lock box that can only go to fix the state highways and bridges, you may have a solution that is fair. >> trish: brie? final word. >> a completely flawed analysis here. this is the state deciding to track one's mileage and behavior. it's not the government's business to know how far or how often i decide to drive my vehicle. it's ridiculous that they try to track that and...

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