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It's 18 usc 371, conspiracy to defraud the united states, and she said that in the u.s. attorney's manual, to explain what that means, defraud, the guidance includes interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deceit, craft, or trickery or at least by means that are dishonest. and that sounds like the trump law firm, deceit, craft, and trickery. is that the law they think may be -- that you would speculate jeffrey clark broke here? >> it's one of them. it also would include in addition to the idea of trickery and deceit, the idea of trying to stop an official proceedin...

Relates to 18 usc-371, which is the general conspiracy to defraud the government. that's a statute that, while there are unwitting aides that are mentioned here, that could also easily include witting aides knowingly joining a conspiracy. the other thing that was interesting in the statute, they cite -- but i couldn't find in my fast read of it -- aiding and abetting statute. i didn't see any aiders or abetters in here. obviously at one point they were contemplating them. and that's, again, where you could find, as sarah mentioned earlier the people who were unwitting might have also included ...