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Government and the military, you get real scrutiny? if you are a contractor, you don't get the same. >> there is some truth to that, but we had problems with people that were direct government employees and screened and we had problems within the contractor pool. we do use contractors too much and we are too reliant on them. we shifted a lot of functions that are government functions, particularly in the intelligence arena and two private contractors that we shouldn't do that was don this philosophy. let's privatize things. the government functions ought to be kept within the government. there...

Would have in an i.t. office. >> that's fascinating. in terms of security contractors, and we've seen statistics saying that, you know, as many as 70% of the positions inside the world of those who have top secret clearances are actually private firms. should americans be -- is this one point of the debate that these revelations should spark us in about the nature of the intelligence system right now that is so heavily privatized? >> well, it is an issue, because there's an awful lot of work that's being done in the private sector that a decision was made some time ago that they were not going...

Positions inside the world of those who have top secret clearances are actually private firms. should americans be -- is this one point of the debate that these revelations should spark us in about the nature of the intelligence system right now that is so heavily privatized? >> well, it is an issue, because there's an awful lot of work that's being done in the private sector that a decision was made some time ago that they were not going to increase the federal workforce but they were going use contractors. i was a contractor for a period of time. you get paid an awful lot more as a contracto...

Positions inside the world of those who have top secret clearances are actually private firms. should americans be -- is this one point of the debate that these revelations should spark us in about the nature of the intelligence system right now that is so heavily privatized? >> well, it is an issue, because there's an awful lot of work that's being done in the private sector that a decision was made some time ago that they were not going to increase the federal workforce but they were going use contractors. i was a contractor for a period of time. you get paid an awful lot more as a contracto...