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Where the economy is bad. there is a 10%-plus unemployment rate and how is she surviving? is it with the help of her sister and government assistance and the unemployment rate is 10.5% in france and half that in germany and there are plenty of people that would argue this for a country whose demographics are in a state of structural decline, people are having fewer children and the thing they really need to drive the economy is an influx of migration to take the lower-income jobs. olivia sterns, thank you so much for that report. turning back stateside now where national security is the talk o...

Do more than one thing at a time. >> now just like her father liz cheney is questioning why president obama won't use waterboarding. when she was asked a question about so-called enhance the interrogation, she said this. >> these are not torture. these are techniques that we know work. that debate is over. it worked. it got the intelligence. it wasn't torture. it was legal. >> all false. let's bring in the president of the foundation for democracy, defense of democracy's cliff may and also former cia officer jack rice. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. jack, ms. cheney is obviously ...

If you think america's president must act to defend america instead of just talking about it -- >> well, here's the reality, ms. cheney. >> after you made the decision to go ahead you had this incredible weekend. you surveyed the tornado damage in alabama. >> right. >> you took your family to the shuttle launch. and this was all going on. you knew what was going to happen. >> yeah, yeah. i made the decision thursday night, informed my team friday morning, and then we flew off to look at the tornado damage to go to cape canaveral. >> congratulations! >> to make a commencement speech, and then w...