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peter singer, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, stephen. it's good to be with you again. it's great to be here and have you here with me, and partly the reason is because you've written an updated, rewritten version of that book you almost five decades ago, animal liberation. it's called animal liberation now. is the publication of this update recognition that your call, your demand for a new relationship between humanity and all the other creatures on this planet, that that call failed? well, it failed to achieve what i had hoped it would achieve and what i believe ethically it needs ...

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Its called Animal Liberation now. Is the publication of this Update Recognition that your call, your demand for a new relationship between humanity and all the other creatures on this planet, that that call failed . Well, it failed to achieve what i had hoped it would achieve and what i believe ethically it needs to achieve, thats true. It didnt totally fail because there is now an Animal Rights movement which is a powerfulforce in many of the countries in the world and many people kindly credit my book as having triggered or inspired that movement. And that movement has had some achievements ...

Its called Animal Liberation now. Is the publication of this Update Recognition that your call, your demand for a new relationship between humanity and all the other creatures on this planet, that that call failed . Well, it failed to achieve what i had hoped it would achieve and what i believe ethically it needs to achieve, thats true. It didnt totally fail because there is now an Animal Rights movement which is a powerful force in many of the countries in the world and many people kindly credit my book as having triggered or inspired that movement. And that movement has had some achievements...

That we have a moral duty to treat them as equals? i think we have a moral duty to treat their interests in not feeling pain and not suffering as equal to the interests that we humans have in not feeling pain and suffering. so, that's the kind of fundamental moral equality that i believe we should recognise. but, of course, they're not equals politically, they can't vote, they can't think about the future and plan for the future as we do so, inevitably, we are going to be making decisions that affect them. i object, though, to when those decisions say because they're not members of our species...