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I imagine he'll continue to pour into men is and boys of color. i'm looking forward to his conversation with angela merkel and wondering whether he's going to get sbo some of the foreign policy debates that are at the forefront of our conversation today. i hope he continues to get a little more rest. he's had some, but after eight years, he e deserves plenty of it. i'm looking forward to this bok as well. i imagine we're going to have a window into some moments that we have all wondered about the obama administration. he's going to have a lot on his plate. i'm excited about what's to come. >> ...

He is under fbi investigation. he has lost his two big first initiatives and that's his travel ban and then health care. he is a lot of talk, tough talk, a lot of bluster but going into the meetings in a weakened position as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. he's meeting with the leader of arguably the second most powerful country in the world and comes at it in a weakened position. also there's no clear foreign policy coming out of this administration. we don't know who is in charge as david gergen suggested, recognize tillerson, kninikki y haley, jared kushner? there is n...

They want no part of this. whatever information he got, it's up to him to talk about. they are not going to talk about it. but what is also crystal clear from comments today is that he went to the white house. he received information at the white house and then went back to the white house in some dramatic fashion to redeliver that information from where he got it when he he briefed the president. >> i think they just want to make clear we're not facilitators. we are hands off. we have no fingerprints on this whatsoever. >> how is that possible? >> it's a lack of curiosity here. i just don't k...

It will reimburse them on a pretax basis. so look into those three options. >> and so i will ask as i'm listening to all these three options and as one who has figured out health care for a company, it is complicated. and i'm sure people are listening to you saying that is all complicated. >> and you can talk to other small businesses in your community and find who they use as a broker. is this a real pain point. if you look at the dollar amounts, you spend about $6,000 for an employ he e, but $18,000 if you can covering a family. the dialogue has to be real with the proceemployees. at least s...

They allowed his family to leave after a short time. they kept him. for a long time we didn't even know what was happening. a lot of groups got spun up and tried to get him out of there which is what he was entitled to, he e deserved to come out. >> what did he tell you after this experience? what were his thoughts? >> he's pretty upbeat about it. he's been through a lot, his family has been through a lot. he's very glad to be here, appreciative. handled it with a lot more grace than probably i would have. >> kate and melina, i want to bring you guys in. the last time we saw you we visited wit...