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Or are you saying, uh-oh, that could be me, feeling sorry for him? >> in the case of governor perry, i was the guy who shouted out the epa. i think that might have been what he was looking for. i said, how about the epa? and he picked that up and that turned out not to be the one he was looking for. look, this is a grueling process n. those debates you are probably operating with 70% of your brain capacity because you have all the lights on, you never know what's going to come. there is pressure as you milt imagine. so we are all prone to make a mistake or two. but we have to be able to take o...

Or are you saying, uh-oh, that could be me, feeling sorry for him? >> in the case of governor perry, i was the guy who shouted out the epa. i think that might have been what he was looking for. i said, how about the epa? and he picked that up and that turned out not to be the one he was looking for. look, this is a grueling process n. those debates you are probably operating with 70% of your brain capacity because you have all the lights on, you never know what's going to come. there is pressure as you milt imagine. so we are all prone to make a mistake or two. but we have to be able to take o...

Or are you saying, uh-oh, that could be me, feeling sorry for him? >> in the case of governor perry, i was the guy who shouted out the epa. i think that might have been what he was looking for. i said, how about the epa? and he picked that up and that turned out not to be the one he was looking for. look, this is a grueling process n. those debates you are probably operating with 70% of your brain capacity because you have all the lights on, you never know what's going to come. there is pressure as you milt imagine. so we are all prone to make a mistake or two. but we have to be able to take o...