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That when you force prices down like this, you get scarcity and you will see the va across the national health care system. >> rick go ahead. >> issabrina i'm going to bet y don't have an obamacare policy and i know you're not on medicare. if your doctor had to check a chart it's because that's what your private insurance company is making him do. the real rationers of health care. >> go ahead quickly. >> the point is its going to get worse. more restrictions on doctors and the prices are going to go higher. coverage doesn't equal care. >> i know you're not on medicare. i know that for a fact....

>> you know, doctor, i mean, just briefly, obviously, there's a lot of really good people who have the best of intentions to work incredibly hard at the va across the country and want to do right. not everybody gaming the system. is the core issue here that the va's underfunded, they don't have the resources to treat the large number of vets? the growing older vet population, the large number of vets from iraq, afghanistan and that these are basically bureaucrats trying to cover up the fact they don't have the resources and game the system to fake the wait times? is to you the key problem behi...

Have the best of intentions to work incredibly hard at the va across the country and want to do right. not everybody gaming the system. is the core issue here that the va's underfunded, they don't have the resources to treat the large number of vets? the growing older vet population, the large number of vets from iraq, afghanistan and that these are basically bureaucrats trying to cover up the fact they don't have the resources and game the system to fake the wait times? is to you the key problem behind all this? >> well, we have had poor administration for several years which has compounded t...