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Topic at that point because they don't want to admit it. >> what's the last cnn debate. you stood on your feet for three hours. he said this about you, you said this about you. and go fight it out. the whole thing was designed to fight. >> that's why i largely didn't participate. i'm not going to let somebody sit there and pull my strings, sic him. >> you said something to me earlier today that really shocked me. that you were unhappy you never get asked a foreign policy question. is that true in both debates you weren't asked a -- i don't know for sure. >> they have a tendency not to ask me a...

And of course they immediately divert to another topic at that point because they don't want to admit it. >> he finds it's all gotcha. i watched the last cnn debate. you stood on your feet for three hours. he said this about you, you said this about you. and go fight it out. the whole thing was designed to fight. >> it was. and that's why i largely didn't participate. i'm not going to let somebody sit there and pull my strings, sic him. >> you said something to me earlier today that really shocked me. that you were unhappy you never get asked a foreign policy question. is that true in both deb...

Candidacy. with more on that, nbc's savannah guthrie with a look at the rise of donald trump. >> i really do believe in myself. >> reporter: seemingly everywhere, donald trump is selling himself as a successful businessman, and in an interview tuesday with nbc's michael isikoff, bristled at the suggestion his success is based solely on being a good pitchman. >> i do, sort of, rake at the fact that i do a fantastic job, and, you know, just almost always, it works out really well and everybody says, oh, gee, what a great salesman he is. it's this. it's not my salesmanship. >> it's what? >> this....