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Towards care. we are as government supposed to provide for those people. if you are against us, you must hate people. you must be anti-people and somehow evil. on the republican side we frame a lot of things around freedom, liberty, and all of those kinds of things and choice. so when we go against democrats then we say you must hate freedom and you must hate choice. what happens is we are at a gridlock and can't compromise because we are saying a value judgment against each other rather than a difference of opinion. steve: if you hear commentators talk about how things have never been this ba...

Very vocal and very consistent message from them, which is one appeals to the majority of this country. again, we've been talking a lot about how this is something aimed at his base and something that is -- that has very much pleased his base. ky tell you some of those groups have been talking today about this being the labor day present and a wonderful surprise from western workers and all that. but it's going to overwhelm these congressional offices with folks just pushing very hard and just telling the stories of these dreamers over and over again. >> anita, last word here. this is not a va...

Ky tell you some of those groups have been talking today about this being the labor day present and a wonderful surprise from western workers and all that. but it's going to overwhelm these congressional offices with folks just pushing very hard and just telling the stories of these dreamers over and over again. >> anita, last word here. this is not a value judgment, but all of these activists, congress has not been if a vacuum. we can see them. we can hear them. we have just watched what has become of the official trump agenda or not. >> yes. i mean, he's putting them in a very difficult posi...

Put it squarely on paul ryan, squarely on mitch mcconnell, and made them the recipients of what's going to be a very loud, very vocal and very consistent message from them, which is one appeals to the majority of this country. again, we've been talking a lot about how this is something aimed at his base and something that is -- that has very much pleased his base. i can tell you some of those groups have been talking today about this being the labor day present and a wonderful surprise from western workers and all that. but it's going to overwhelm these congressional offices with folks just pu...

>> i want to fold into this discussion, the departure from trump's evangelical board. reverend bernhard is a senior pastor at the christian cultural center, not too far from where we are at 30 rock, located in brooklyn. here's what he told my leagcolle earlier. >> there was hope. as a christian, we're thinking hope, we're thinking redemption. that is the window through which we see the world and there was hope there. but after a while, you have to make a decision. every decision you make in life is a value judgment and i had to determine cost versus worth. how much is this costing me to contin...