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Thing. but i was talking to an optim ophthalmologists who say 10% of people see it differently. >> let's read into it very deeply, though. when we see it differently, john sees it as blue and black. you see that? >> if i squint -- >> when initially saw it, i saw white and gold. does that mean i'm more optimistic and john's just a sad man? >> no, sorry, kate. that's not the case. there's no value judgments in how people are seeing -- in the cohen family, i saw white and gold. my husband sees blue and black and our four daughters are split evenly. this doctor i was talking to says it's genetics....

Power to reorganize federal agencies. >> today the president -- if somebody doesn't obey the president's authority, orders, there's nothing the president can do. it can't hire and fire people except a small number of elected, sort of appointed -- >> or the people you put in place, you can ask for their resignation or get rid of them. >> if some official in the field does something crazy, you can't get rid of them. >> you have a judge determine if the lawsuit is reasonable or not. what kind of judge and at case. today in america anybody can sue for anything which means one of the problems with ...

Opening up increasingly to push for something that looks more like a peace agenda? that's a phrase that's so far from our actual politics now, but is actually what i think you want politics to embody, right? >> unfortunately t word peace comes laden with all sorts of value judgments, negative value judgments in our politics. but what that shows is that you can actually move towards actual piece, you don't have to call it peace, you can call it engagement, you will call it with all sorts of things like verification, you can use thome terms. but i do think we're moving into a situation where the...

Like a peace agenda? that's a phrase that's so far from our actual politics now, but is actually what i think you want politics to embody, right? >> unfortunately t word peace comes laden with all sorts of value judgments, negative value judgments in our politics. but what that shows is that you can actually move towards actual piece, you don't have to call it peace, you can call it engagement, you will call it with all sorts of things like verification, you can use thome terms. but i do think we're moving into a situation where the american public does not want us to be on a perpetual war foo...

Be careful. that borders brown paper bag. i think he would love this. this is the government saying look we're going to teach you personal responsibility. when i was very young, just a week old, after jimmy carter was president i remember that energy crisis my parents told me shut off the lights and water when brushing your teeth. learn to conserve energy, water, i think it's good to be conditioned to better behavior. >> yes. >> you know funny thing is that you know you will be nudged to combat things like global warming but there will be no nothing to start a business or perhaps not to have c...