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It's all a bit speculative here, but the idea of a seizure, but do you give any credibility to his testimony right there, that person you had on the show today, on your program? >> dante alan is his name. his account shows up in the search warrant that "the washington post" reported about last night, which became this story that gray was banging his head against the wall of the van and may have injured himself on his own. what mr. alan is reporting is, he's filling in the blanks. he really has to speculate about what may have caused the banging that he heard or the noise that he heard, because...

Indicate that at that point that van driver knew that something was wrong. >> trymaine, let me ask you this, are the details of this sort of filtering out, are folks sort of focused on this today with sort of the revelation of this stop? >> reporter: some people are and some people haven't heard much about this. but when you listen to the interview and you hear that young man say that, you know, i don't work with the police, it speaks to volumes of which there's this big gap between the police and the community. but it also speaks to the broad distrust that, you know, dealing with the police c...

That point there should have been a call for a medic, and there wasn't. i think that new stop that we're talking about, if i were -- if i were asking the right questions and i am in this case my question would be does that indicate that at that point that van driver knew that something was wrong. >> let me ask you this. are the details of this sort of filtering out -- are folks sort of focused on this today with this sort of the revelation of this stop? >> some people are and some people haven't said much about this. when you hear that young man say that, you know i don't work with the police....

The driver's behavior. >> and, jayne, i ever never seen a press conference like the one they had in baltimore today to come out there for a couple of minutes to basically say one thing. that is this van made a stop that we did not know about, that no police officers told us about, that we the investigators discovered only by seeing some private video of it. >> look, the van driver is the plain player here because, obviously, he's the one driving. and whether or not there was an intentional act, and that's obviously a key question was it intentional driving in the van to try to make freddie gra...

>> all right. finally i want to ask about this sort of mysterious stop that appeared today that we didn't know it happened yet and when i was apparently only revealed by some other cctv footage. what do you make of that? what should we make of it? >> well, if i were to -- the question i would have of the van driver at that stop is why did you make that stop? did you make that stop because you heard something in the back of the van that maybe indicated to you that something had gone wrong? because the next thing he does is drive a little bit further and stop again and call for other officers to...