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Greatest single act of his papacy is that our church is in real trouble and i am not able to cope with the trouble that we're in. i think there are some of the cardinals that are hoping that the next pope that they elect will convene a vatican 3, something that will set the church on a new course, reach out to the modern world, instead of what has happened under john paul ii as well in terms of the theology and benedict which has been a look backwards in terms of what the theology means, what the role of the male celibate priesthood in particular is, which has caused such terrible troubles for...

Start supplying ammunition to some rebel groups in sere yachlt let me play you just a little clip. >> i think one of the things we can consider is we can identify a couple of responsible groups or more responsible groups that we feel have built a -- ammunition is something we can provide, which is not weaponry per se, but is essential to the weaponry. and that's a step i'm prepared to advocate for. >> steve, what do you think? is he a real contender? bobby jindal? who's looking strong at this point? who do you see positioning themselves for 2016? >> they're all positioning themselves because i...

Hearts in his time as pope. so to see him go, we kind of feel sad and a little bit of somber. in the catholic church, a lot happens a lot of times, but this is something that's been seven centuries and it has not happened. and the way it happened with pope benedict, it's never happened in that way before. after so much reflection and pondering and thinking about it and with anticipation giving the public announcement. so we are really in new territory. it's kind of rare for a church that has 2,000 years of history. >> and as someone who has spent some time inside the vatican and knows how the ...

Civilians, which is what he will become at 8:00 tonight. >> we saw 150,000 who were there for his final audience. father bartunic, i'm guessing you feel as all of us do, i'm still in a little bit of a state of shock as i watch this scene developing, because this is something we thought we would never see in our lifetime, something we have not seen for centuries, a pope deciding that he would step down, what are your thoughts as you watch this happen and put it into the context of the significance that this holds for the catholic church. >> yeah, i think that the shock is kind of wearing off, m...