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And investigate a theory about e-mails and to investigate biden but we know that and that's enough to move forward on an impeachment effort. but they're also trying to figure out what else happened. is their testimony peag used to have you'll yawny and all these others lawyer flying around, who held up the aid, and i also think the three amygoes we hear about earlier on in the show, they're going to have to lawyer up and ultimately there will be casualties in this administration and rick perry is on his way out the door and v e volker has already resigned. and everyone caught in this web is ev...

In 2017 he gave a million dollars to trump's nugeration committee anonymously, and it appears he got his job as a kind of thank you note. sondland boasted in an interview earlier this year he was running a foreign policy to ukraine even though there was no reason whatsoever for him to be running point on ukraine. president trump has not only honored my with the job of being the u.s. ambassador to the eu, but he's also given me other special assignments including ukraine as i mentioned previously. >> we have the three amygoes and they are secretary perry, again ambassador volker and myself. and...

Otherwise. >> there was also an important distinction between his testimony and ambassador volker's in that volker brought all his messages with him. sondland didn't do that. sondland turns them over to state. and so those are things the committee desperately wants to get at as well and it will now have to fight for. in that white house today it suggests it's going to be a and there's a bunch of evidence about them. thank you very much. >> i'd like to matt miller, an msnbc justice and national security analyst and former national security advisor and representative to the united nations. when ...

Surprise. it took house republicans carg to reporting by surprise. what happened today? >> you know, it's hard to say. i mean we had ambassador volker who was also on those text exchanges to be the first in line to meet with the committee last week and to get his testimony but he quit his government job to do that. and we saw markers laid down by the trump administration last week, in particular secretary of state pompeo basically saying indicating very clearly there would not be cooperation with this inquiry. and so i'm not sure why it was such a surprise that sondland was blocked from testif...