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If memory serves he was convicted as agent of foreign power which is often how government gets short of full conviction i might be wroeng but that's typically a lighter sentence and this is typical operating procedure for russian intelligence, they are looking at a very long time horizon, they see someone like page or someone else who in 2013 might not have been obvious target but are looking for people who are swimming in the united states power structures. >> didn't he work for the bank that jared kushner met with. >> that to me is the most interesting part of this whole story because he was...

Or somebody else who in 2013 might not have been an obvious target, but they're looking for people who are sort of swimming in the important milieus in the united states' power structures. >> didn't he work at a bank that jared kushner met with? >> that to me is the most interesting part of this whole story. because he was working for ved bank, the head of which trained or was at the fsb school, the internal russian intelligence service school and clearly has ties to intelligence. so the kushner veb bank tie is the one that interests me more than mr. buryakov. >> this reminds me i feel like i'...