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General milley's tore meant? >> well, i think, nicolle -- hi, by the way. >> hi. >> i think they add, you know, i think for those of us who were going through this at the time and talking about it in public as you and i were with some frequency, i think, you know, on some level it is like one of those things like a lot of reporting on trump world. it confirms things that we either knew, suspected, intuited that a lot of -- you know, trump did not hide stuff very well. he's brazen in a lot of respects. >> right. >> so if you pay attention to what trump was doing and saying and you drew logical ...

To obey illegal, immoral, unethical orders like overturning the u.s. election, and they sketched out what they would do, which is the right thing to do, refuse to obey the orders and go public with it. put it in the hands of the congress and the american people. so i'm with general mccaffrey. to me this is the system working. >> let me put you both on the spot, and you may either not want to answer this question, but i'm going to ask it anyway. general mccaffrey, should he have done more? if he saw donald trump acting -- if he saw parallels between trump's rhetoric of fraud and hitler's insist...

Before, and the fact i do think it was a situation where the system worked. the thing i want to say thinking about it all day, watching the way, listening to these two esteemed veterans and leaders of men in the military make their assessment, and think of what donald trump's assessment is today of mark milley, trashing him in the same breath that he trashed jim mattis. and i just want to always be thinking about the future. what is happening now with trump and a guy who when he came into office started out by trashing the intelligence agencies, even before he became president, when he was sti...

Those issues. societies will discuss together what sort of solutions they think are appropriate, and think such structures are very important. there is a very large degree of common ground, as has come out of our talks. we are convinced, both of us, that overcoming this pandemic is only possible if as many people as possible are vaccinated in our countries, and many wish to do that. we have to also support the rest of the world with vaccines. we work together with covax, and covax, and i'm very grateful to the united states and under your leadership, dear joe, the u.s. has committed itself ver...

Walk with the people who attended over to the capitol and then when they actually started breaching the building, we know he didn't pick up the phone even when people like kevin mccarthy were telling him he needed to do that. he wouldn't get on the phone and tell these people to stand down. it took three takes to record a message to the supporters to tell them to go home and the best take they could go with was when trump said, i love you. you're great people. this has always been who donald trump is. this is our understanding of the fact of how much strain he put on everyone around him and on...