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Spoke about the riots until he absolutely had to. the city was burning, the police were ostracized. where was he? he was the candidate, you have to remember he wasn't there. biden never rejected defunding until he had to. he was calling people white supremacists, or too little, too late for me. >> jesse: he chickened out when it really meant something and now he's trying to scramble because it is toxic and a primary, in a general. you are never going to get that stench all of you as a democrat, ever, ever. they handed us a wedge issue, richard. why would you hand a wedge issue like defund the ...

And it just kind of ruin it. he was a ventriloquist, or was he? >> that was two-parter. >> yeah. since i moved to alaska, i got all two-parters. >> you got a lot of time in the dark. >> yeah. >> yes. so, guy, uh, what - - do you think the democrats learned any lessons from your keen mind? >> i think some of them who are more rational and interested in winning might learn some lessons but their base, right the activist class on twitter, the people on msnbc and cnn they are doubling and tripling down on calling everyone stupid, ignorant, manipulated by misinformation, and racists. >> right. >> a...

Ever seen. here it is. >> they want white supremacy by ventriloquist -- there is a black mouth moving, a white idea on the tongue of a figure who justifies and legitimates the white supremacist practices. we know that we can internalize in our own minds, and our own subconscious and our own bodies the very principles that are undoing us, so to have a black face speaking on behalf of a white supremacist legacy is nothing new. >> will: horace cooper is the cochair of project 21 and joins us now. horace, great to see you tonight. i don't think it is surprising to hear such a vile and absurd rheto...

>> they want white supremacy by ventriloquist -- there is a black mouth moving, a white idea on the tongue of a figure who justifies and legitimates the white supremacist practices. we know that we can internalize in our own minds, and our own subconscious and our own bodies the very principles that arein undoing us, so to have a black face speaking on behalf of a white supremacist legacy is nothing new. >> will: horace cooper is the cochair of project 21 and joins us now. horace, great to see you tonight. i don't think it is surprising to hear such a vile and absurd rhetoric coming from the t...

He was a ventriloquist, or was he? >> that was two-parter. >> yeah. since i moved to alaska, i got all two-parters. >> you got a lot of time in the dark. >> yeah. >> yes. so, guy, uh, what - - do you think the democrats learned any lessons from your keen mind? >> i think some of them who are more rational and interested in winning might learn some lessons but their base, right the activist class on twitter, the people on msnbc and cnn they are doubling and tripling down on calling everyone stupid, ignorant, manipulated by misinformation, and racists. >> right. >> and it worked out so well for ...