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It seems as if third place is where somebody like a bush or a rubio really wants to be tonight. >> look. i think there are a lot of subplots. trump-carson is the big one but this is ben carson on a topic he's not talked much about, doesn't have a lot of meat on the bone with the economy. with our friends at cnbc, these aren't going to be what will you do about the economy questions. these are going to be, okay, governor kasich, xyz on the economy. i think it's a different type of test. i know there's some expectation it's trump versus carson but i kind of think it's carson versus the topic tha...

Trump versus carson. i give it 3-1 trump. it is the economic debate and trump has the experience and ben has been flip-flopping a little bit. undercard, bush versus rubio, 3-2 rubio. this should be interesting. we talked about the back and forth. >> who gets out? >> who leaves? >> yes. anybody? >> there are a couple of people on the bubble. >> who? >> i think christie -- >> christie is not getting out, he has money. >> mike huckabee? >> i think he's got some money. >> i think he's got organizational -- >> what do you think -- >> i don't think i'm going to see somebody drop out between this deb...

Let's not forget, the only thing that he's pleading guilty to is to lying to the fbi about this hush-hush money and breaking banking laws. john and kate? >> rosa flores for us in chicago, thank you so much. a lot of people thinking unlikely that he'll actually serve any prison time here, but nevertheless having to plead guilty, a major development. irm current politics. the big story line in tonight's republican debate will no doubt be trump versus carson. >> but what about the rest of the pack? there's a lot more folks on stage than just them. john kasich, for one, says he is sick of what t...

Debate is not, i don't think, your money your vote or whatever that they are headlining it. it's trump versus carson. trump's got to come out and really start taking some shots at carson. i want to know exactly how the shots come. can you say he's sleepy, you can say that really he doesn't know what he's talking about. let's see what he says. let's see how carson responds. carson said clearly he doesn't want to get in the pit, the mud. what does ben do? i don't think ben is just going to stand there and let this guy take shots at him. and does jeb, who has fallen off the table, does jeb then j...