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>> i love the idea we're no longer satisfied with love kernels coming down from on high. this becomes a really important political question. i have speculated looking at manchin's election in 2018. he squeeked by with 49% of the vote. i don't think the guy can get re-elected in 2024. on the ground do you think joe manchin is doing this because he thinks it's going to help him get re-elected or do you think he's likely to drop out? what kind of primary challenges is he very likely to face in 2024 if he hasn't left office yet? >> i mean, we will run someone against him. it's an easy decision. we...

>> i think there is -- i think the party needs to be looking forward 100 percent, right? in order to look forward, we actually have to understand what happened. >> sandra: you think this is -- >> harris: you think you are going to get a real answer from hillary clinton and it's taken her all the months to come to this point talk about this when it doesn't involve all these things that katie listed. do you think thee knows why she lost? >> i think and i have been singing this song since i was at the dnc. i think that the traditional political paradigm of left versus right, it's -- no one listen...