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Whether or not they get an obstruction case out it. >> the president's sister happens to be a sitting federal judge. that would be interesting. i've looked around the panel. a lot of us have interviewed presidents. you're the only member who interviewed a president in a legal matter. what do you think the chances are of trump versus mueller face-to-face? >> i think that according to what mr. rudy giuliani says they will only let him be interviewed about collusion issue and not about obstruction. i think that's a very wise strategic choice. here is an interesting thing that nobody has commented...

Presidents. you're the only member who interviewed a president in a legal matter. what do you think the chances are of trump versus mueller face-to-face? >> i think that according to what mr. rudy giuliani says they will only let him be interviewed about collusion issue and not about obstruction. i think that's a very wise strategic choice. here is an interesting thing that nobody has commented on. mueller and the president's attorneys have been doing this dance for months now where mueller says i want to interview you and the lawyers have been sayi ining rudy giuliani has be saying only if yo...

Legal matter. what do you think the chances are of trump versus mueller face-to-face? >> i think that according to what mr. rudy giuliani says they will only let him be interviewed about collusion issue and not about obstruction. i think that's a very wise strategic choice. here is an interesting thing that nobody has commented on. mueller and the president's attorneys have been doing this dance for months now where mueller says i want to interview you and the lawyers have been saying rudy giuliani has been saying only if you do this and agree to do that. the question arises, why hasn't bob mu...

In nature, it's more than a headache. it could be a criminal violation, and now he gave the everyday for that. it's contingent on there being a tape tween michael cohen and donald trump. right now it's in the air. >> the only one saying that is michael avenatti. he told jake tapper an hour ago, no doubt about it. there are these tapes. and if there are these tapes, that would explain why according to sources the president may be more concerned about the michael cohen investigation than the russia probe. >> that had been true. i'm not sure that that is true today in terms of where the president...

Economy is better, we feel like isis is being taken on, that he's going out and killing terrorists and as long as that's happening then we -- you know, the personal, it might not be what we want our children to immolate but we can really disconnect the personal and the actual policies that the we feel donald trump is implementing to make our lives better. >> so peter baker, it's heilemann here, i want to ask you this question to bring a couple pieces together. we've talked about these things related to points donny is making, objective metrics by which we normally judge presidents that trump i...