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And i say that because i don't recall ever hearing about vincent chin until you brought him to my attention when we were talking last march and the string of anti-asian hate crimes. i realized this is a part of american history, our history, that many people don't know about. and that tells you something. >> you're so right. growing up in california, very progressive state, i don't remember reading anything about asian-american history. i mean, i learned about the internment of 120,000 japanese -- people of japanese descent when i was out of school. and i was horrified by that. and this happen...

With a baseball bat. those two men never served a day in jail or prison, paid a $3,000 fine and spent some months on probation. when we think about what's been happening over the past year and a half -- and john i've spoken to you on multiple shows on cnn about this -- this scapegoating of asian people because of the covid virus. the virus was really weaponized against our community, and it's part of this long pattern of discrimination and scapegoating that has been happening in this country for more than a century. >> and turning a blind eye to it or erasing it or not acknowledging it. and i ...