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Know, throw hay makers weapon, left and right, and loved it. and then the election. and it looks worse, and it looks worse. and now he's got to sit in the white house and wonder, you know, what is paul manafort telling mueller? what is michael cohen telling mueller? and so it's kind of a very steep path downward. >> yeah, i think it's like he's eating sugary cereal and do you agree with eugene that probably the prudent move for mueller would be to drop that right at the very end? >> very much. except potentially the president himself. and of course if he's indicted, it depends. it was signific...

Psychological journey the president was on. he was doing these rallies, two and three a day, his favorite thing to do, the adulation of the crowds. you know, he got to just, you know, throw hay makers weapon, right, and loved and then the election and it looks worst and looks worst. and now he's got to sit in the white house and wonder, you know, what is paul manafort telling mueller? what is michael cohen telling mueller? and so it's kind of a very steep path downward. >> yeah, i think it's like eatihe's eating sugary cereal and do you agree with eugene that probably the prudent move for muel...

And just imagine the sort of psychological journey the president was on. he was doing these rallies, two and three a day, his favorite thing to do, the adulation of the crowds. you know, he got to just, you know, throw hay makers weapon, right, and loved and then the election and it looks worst and looks worst. and now he's got to sit in the white house and wonder, you know, what is paul manafort telling mueller? what is michael cohen telling mueller? and so it's kind of a very steep path downward. >> yeah, i think it's like he's eating sugary cereal and do you agree with eugene that probably ...

You rapid-fire answers, i mean the hardest thing is to get him to stop to slow down talking. >> that's true. >> because he never -- we always ask him a question and he goes three things he's always got three things instead of one. >> eight things. >> which is fine. but the question is you know, because he is so smart and he does have a decent record why is he not catching on? >> because he's not talking about it. he's not playing to his strengths. look here's what happened with bobby jindal he came out a little bit after the republicans lost the 2012 election and he was going to be the truth t...

Decisions this term were liberal decisions and i think most telling of all the 5-4 decisions justice kennedy voted with the conservatives only about 20% of the time whereas he voted with the liberals almost half the time. also tellingly justice roberts went over and voted with the liberals on some key cases including the williams eulie case on florida judicial elections. so conserveativeconservative no. >> what kind of a court is it then is it a court basically that whatever john roberts and anthony kennedy decide on any given case? if it goes with the liberals it moves in that direction, if n...