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Because i'm going into the general, if i will. but right now it's sort of the primary. and that is the time for him to do that. >> i also think, mckay, the carl higby story in the grand scheme of things, it's a small story. but i find it really generally appalling. really appalling. >> you? >> right. but this is someone who got hired in the administration that you can say has a vetting problem. the dark money pack hired him as soon as all that was made public. it is explicit white supremacy. it is explicit bigotry. he is a racist by his own admission. and they hire this person. and mike pence ...

Of new stuff about ronny jackson's time as the white house physician and his time in the white house medical unit. unprofessional behavior he is said by his colleagues to have exhibited on the job is laid out in the 2012 i.g. report. also a list of jaw-dropping allegations against him from 23 current and former colleagues in that office including accusations of repeated drunkenness on the job. ronny jackson's tenure at the white house medical unit is turning out to be a whole new scandal that we didn't know about before. before he got this nomination. and it blew up. we don't know yet how this...

Doctor? a second bit of fallout here is that this now makes two dozen, 24 senate confirmable nominees including cabinet nominees the president has put forward who have failed as nominations. this is either a vetting problem or we're starting to see the results of what happens when you try to run a federal government without any vetting process at all. it's either bad vetting or no vetting. but then there's also this. the implosion of jackson's nomination was not just some generic nomination to run some generic government agency. the nomination that he was up for is something that is absolutely...

Said, you know, we should have more trust and love. that is true broadly across our society i think when it comes to nominating and confirming individuals at the highest level of u.s. government. i'm not sure it's about trust and love. it's about vetting verification and assuring that these people are -- have the requisite skills to carry out their jobs. i think in this administration, more than any i've seen in my lifetime, there are -- there is a wide number of people who are simply not qualified to be in the positions they currently hold or might have held and that is a vetting problem with...

Watching and thinking, i'm hoping no one is confusing a pro-promotion with a vet. vetting is a term of art in washington and usually means an fbi full field investigation and they take a good hard look at your life. working in proximity of the president, we've seen known about all kind of bad characters who have worked around this president and others. so does this point out a vet problem and perhaps now a procedural problem that this has been allowed to hang out there for enough days to attract even more allegations as it did tonight? >> well, clearly, brian, there is a vetting problem in the...