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Point where one of the accused murderers in spokane and oklahoma were fans of this chief keefe. do you know who this guy is. >> no. >> bill: vial rapper, drug dealer with a conviction who these kids now islandsize it's really depressing. i like dr. ming's -- i liked his message and i liked his courage. >> absolutely. >> i'm not seeing the message and i'm not seeing the courage 50 years later. i will give you the last word. >> well, i will pick up on what you just said because it's about courage, and sometimes courage requires that you speak to people who you love in ways that challenge them, b...

Accused murderers in spokane and oklahoma were fans of this chief keefe. do you know who this guy is. >> no. >> bill: vial rapper, drug dealer with a conviction who these kids now islandsize it's really depressing. i like dr. ming's -- i liked his message and i liked his courage. >> absolutely. >> i'm not seeing the message and i'm not seeing the courage 50 years later. i will give you the last word. >> well, i will pick up on what you just said because it's about courage, and sometimes courage requires that you speak to people who you love in ways that challenge them, bill. and what we're see...