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>> jill, the budget is a perfect example, michelle. the budget there's a question whether they get that through congress, and some say say it's doa. some of the things they do administratively have been more effective or even i.c.e. enforcement, than the places where they do have to move things from the hill where they have a harder time so far. what do you think of that, michelle? >> i think they're better at destroying things than building things. when you're running the white house, even terribly, you can appoint incompetent people who are hostile to the missions of their agencies, you can ...

Sentence. what we're not interested in doing is doing the work of federal immigration authorities to go hunt down people whether at a grocery store, at a child's school or at a place of worship. what we're trying to do is make sure that we allow our police officers and our sheriffs to do their work so they can gain the cooperation and the confidence of the people that they can report crime as witnesses, report crime as victims. we want that relationship to continue. everything the president has been doing has eroded the trust that communities can have, especially communities -- immigrant commu...

>> well, it's very disconcerting. people think it's about religion and geography, and that's very damaging to our economy. this is not helping us create jobs. i was out at dulles airport within 12 hours -- chris: wait a minute, doesn't protecting the country come before jobs? >> let's be clear, everybody's for protecting the country. we have a very vigorous program in the united states of america to check two-year process on refugees and other related visas. we're all in agreement, we want to keep our country safe, but there is a very fine line. i went out to dulles airport, i was probably the...

Disconcerting. people think it's about religion and geography, and that's very damaging to our economy. this is not helping us create jobs. i was out at dulles airport within 12 hours -- chris: wait a minute, doesn't protecting the country come before jobs? >> let's be clear, everybody's for protecting the country. we have a very vigorous program in the united states of america to check two-year process on refugees and other related visas. we're all in agreement, we want to keep our country safe, but there is a very fine line. i went out to dulles airport, i was probably the first elected offi...

>> well, it's very disconcerting. people think it's about religion and geography, and that's very damaging to our economy. this is not helping us create jobs. i was out at dulles airport within 12 hours -- chris: wait a minute, doesn't protecting the country come before jobs? >> let's be clear, everybody's for protecting the country. we have a very vigorous program in the united states of america to check two-year process on refugees and other related visas. we're all in agreement, we want to keep our country safe, but there is a very fine line. i went out to dulles airport, i was probably the...