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>> exactly. >> he didn't need -- >> -- it was actually about the meeting with tim scott. and he started off by saying, look, we had a great meeting, i've been a longtime supporter of tim scott. could have ended it there or could have said, you know, we had really fruitful discussions, it was amazing, we're going to continue to work together and -- >> and also, you mentioned the vice video. just today, ivanka trump had an interview with the "financial times." and she was talking about that weekend, she and jared were out of town. she said she was sort of tuning out and not really paying attenti...

>> i'll see you tomorrow. >> i thought this was the book club. that being said, i think this is another example, unfortunately, of the president stepping on his own good news day. today was a good day for him to go out and visit the victims and thank the volunteers and thank the responders there in florida. and unfortunately, he took this as an opportunity, granted, to jason's point, you cannot control a question that you're asked in a gaggle. but it is important to pivot or to stay on message -- >> but what's interesting is he didn't even -- he actually pivoted to this. >> exactly. >> he didn...

Groups recruit white male young educated young men. >> and you have to know if somebody in your circle is looking at these things or talking about them. you need to know what they are. this isn't just about your personal identity. these are hate groups. >> joining us now from tell a vee tel aviv, ceo of the anti-defamation league. give us an update here. for us, for so many of us who watch the images from the weekend, if you watch that vice piece last night, it was extraordinary, and understanding that membership to the kkk spiked last year. what is really out there? >> thanks for the question...