Are dealing with today, i look at it as going back to 201 2014-2015. for me in my career ferguson and the civil unrest that resulted from the police shooting really brought about an end to -- or a dramatic end to proactive police work. we saw a retraction of patrol officers, uniformed police officers, from conducting proactive stops and we also saw the disbandment of many proactive units, including a vice unit which i was a part of for almost my entire career. >> and so why was that such a turning point? i guess a question would be what kind of effect that is it had, do you think? >> well, pro...