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My mom's rapid decline shows you just how vicious this pandemic can be -- and how damaging to the tissue of family relations

Have short conversations 15 minutes at a time using these video apps. they're really made for family members to call people on the inside so they could maintain contact. they're pretty expensive. but as a reporter, i decided it was worth it to pay per minute to get this access to figure out what was happening inside ice detention centers as the pandemic was turning the world upside down. >> and the facility, did they try to fight you when they realized what you were doing? when did they know that basically some, you know, somebody was doing and some -- some detainees were participating in a jo...

Seth, what's interesting about your film is also how you got your access. you made it clear during your film that you had to pay for the video access at times or made sure we saw that. but explain how you met nielson and how you got that access? >> sure. at the beginning of the pandemic, my planning were up ended. i had plans to report stories for magazines that i write for. i was trying to figure out how i was going to continue as a print reporter as this pandemic was spreading to develop news stories to cover the pandemic on the beats that i already work on. and, so, i began making a series ...

Seth, what was interesting about your film is also how you got your access. in many ways you made it clear during the film that you had to pay for video access at times. you made sure we saw that. explain how you met nilsson, how you met andrea, how you got that access. >> sure. so at the beginning of the pandemic, you know, my plans for reporting were sort of upended, right? i had plans to go report stories for magazines that i write for. >> mm-hmm. >> and i was trying to figure out how i was going to continue as a print reporter as this pandemic was spreading to develop news stories to cover...

Minutes at a time, using these pay-per-minute video apps. they're really made for family members, people on the outside to call relatives on the inside so they can maintain contact. they're pretty expensive, but as a reporter, i decided it was worth it to pay per minute to get this access to try to figure out what was happening inside of i.c.e. detention centers as the pandemic was really turning the world upside down. >> and the facility, did they try to fight you when they realized what you were doing? when did they know that basically some, you know, somebody was doing -- and some detainees...