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Our broadcast tonight. again the piece is on the "new york times" web site. let's bring in chris matthews and andrea mitchell. chris, starting with your reaction to the conversation. >> well, the way i've listened and watched, i thought our video documentation was great. it showed the nature of this in public, the bromance, potential bromance between the president, president trump now, and vladimir putin. an obvious kind of i like this guy, i want to get to know him more, maybe we can be best friends and then of course all the information basically from the "new york times" we've gathered ab...

Reaction to the conversation. >> well, the way i've listened and watched, i thought our video documentation was great. it showed the nature of this in public, the bromance, potential bromance between the president, president trump now, and vladimir putin. an obvious kind of i like this guy, i want to get to know him more, maybe we can be best friends and then of course all the information basically from the "new york times" we've gathered about the russian effort from the beginning, a lot of it documented by unnamed sources, of course. what i keep seeing, david and andrea in my head is when we...

>> i absolutely do based on the actions of this individual prior to the shooting, we have a fairly good video documentation of what he was doing and i am still convinced that he was targeting blue, targeting an sapd police officer. didn't matter who it was, it was just any officer that he came across. >> can you give us any sense of why that is, what you've seen in the evidence that leads you to that conclusion? >> well, i don't want to get too much into the facts of the investigation, to the evidence, but, again, just a variety of his -- a variety of actions that he demonstrated prior to the ...

>> was this an individual that had been known to you prior to this? >> no, he does have a record, but no, we did not really know of him prior to this incident. >> you said earlier you believe that the uniform was the target. now that you have this man in custody, is that still the case? >> i absolutely do based on the actions of this individual prior to the shooting, we have a fairly good video documentation of what he was doing and i am still convinced that he was targeting blue, targeting an sapd police officer. didn't matter who it was, it was just any officer that he came across. >> can yo...

The first problem is crime isn't spiking and, indeed there's no national pattern at all. >> and even the theory about the ferguson effect and how the video documentation of police officers engaged in all types of behavior would have a direct impact and the police officers willingness to actually work is really offensive and it speaks poorly to the profession itself. >> joining me now, former new york city police department detective and political commentator lisa durgen. welcome to you both. i thought it wasn't going to happen, but every enn the mayor of chicago seems to be saying it's happeni...